Jeanne speaks about all the symptoms and additional struggles brought about by an anxiety disorder. She explains that Panic Disorder is not just "someone who has panic attacks", and anxiety is much more than "someone who cannot handle stress well" or is "easily stressed." This is what an anxiety disorder REALLY looks like.
Jeanne speaks about all the symptoms and additional struggles brought about by an anxiety disorder. She explains that Panic Disorder is not just "someone who has panic attacks", and anxiety is much more than "someone who cannot handle stress well" or is "easily stressed." This is what an anxiety disorder REALLY looks like.
Key Moments:
00:00 Introduction
01:15 Personal journey with the Panic Disorder diagnosis
01:56 Misconceptions related to the diagnosis of the anxiety disorder
06:00 Difference between stress and anxiety disorders - Good vs bad stress
08:40 What an anxiety disorder feels like
10:15 Differences between Generalized Anxiety Disorder and Panic Disorder
10:45 My panic attack triggers / what happens to me when I am having a panic attack
12:55 Other sensations that come with a panic attack
14:20 How my panic disorder affects my daily life - What happens after the panic attack or on a daily basis?
16:20 Migraines
18:32 Hypochondria
21:08 Digestive issues
22:50 Skin reactions and sensitivity
24:40 Insomnia
27:53 Fears that you start to develop
31:06 Anti-social behavior or seclusion
33:20 Relapses
33:55 The change that made the biggest impact on my healing journey
34:24 Conclusion
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[00:00:00.170] - Jeanne
Good morning, FIGGI Goddess, and welcome to another episode of my FIGGI Life podcast. Today I'm going to talk to you about everything that surrounds an anxiety or a panic disorder. I think a lot of times when people hear the word someone has a panic disorder, they think they have panic attacks. Or when you hear somebody say, I have an anxiety disorder, a lot of people think, oh, they're that super sensitive person that's sensitive to stress or stresses a lot. And I want to kind of clear that up today because I've been getting a lot of questions about that and just discuss with you because maybe you're suffering from it, or maybe you have a child suffering from this. Or a loved one that you need to support and talk about everything that encompasses this journey and why you need to have so many lifestyle changes. So I am checking in with you again soon. Stay tuned.
[00:00:58.290] - Intro
Welcome, Goddess, to your sacred space. This is my FIGGI Life podcast, where we openly discuss life's wins and losses on our journeys to self discovery. This is your best life. This is your FIGGI life. And now here is your host, Jeanne.
[00:01:17.600] - Jeanne
I first and foremost want to tell you that I am not a psychiatrist, I'm not a doctor, and I'm not a therapist. What I'm sharing with you today is my personal journey, with my diagnosis and what I have learned from it and what has been communicated to me. But there is an episode on this my Figue Life podcast with my psychiatrist, or rather my psychologist treating psychologist, and he explains from an expert point of view, what is the clinical diagnosis for a panic disorder or an anxiety disorder, what that looks like, and what kind of the medical and clinical intervention for that is. It's really important for me to say this, because I think this is one of the big misconceptions that come with a diagnosis of an anxiety disorder is that it's really a way of defining somebody that tends to stress a lot. And that is, I think, one of the biggest mistakes you can make. Because an anxiety disorder is a mental illness that has to be clinically and medically diagnosed. You have to be diagnosed with this, and then a treatment plan needs to ensue. So if you're wondering about the clinical diagnosis and the medical intervention, please go back to that podcast episode in which we discuss the DM Five diagnostic tool, which is used in the medical and clinical settings to diagnose not only anxiety disorders, but specific ones.
[00:02:50.100] - Jeanne
Like, I think the DSM Five is the one that diagnoses panic disorder. There are many different anxiety disorders, like social anxiety, generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder with which I was diagnosed. So just please be aware of that as we are talking through everything we are today. The other reason why it's so important to get diagnosed is, of course, yes. So you understand what the right treatment plan is for you or your loved one. But also, very importantly, I think as human beings and as stressed as we are, we always tend to kind of go to the worst case scenario. And we live in a highly charged and highly stressed world, so people are more anxious and more stressed than usual. And it's much more common for us to be in situations of chronic stress than it may have been in the past. And there's a very real chance if you go and get yourself checked out, that you may very well not have an anxiety disorder but may just be dealing with a period of increased stress or chronic stress. And there are easy things that you can do or steps that you can take to get yourself back into a healthy space.
[00:04:01.570] - Jeanne
But on the flip side, also, you may be thinking that you're just kind of constantly suffering from chronic stress when you're actually dealing with an anxiety disorder, which has a whole different approach than just dealing with chronic stress. And I'm not minimizing stress in any way. It's extremely detrimental to us and it's extremely detrimental to our health, and it has very real effects and consequences on our lives. Again, I'm just trying to say that it really is important that you get properly diagnosed with an anxiety disorder and with which one you are struggling so that you have the right treatment plan for you. Okay? So in this entire episode, I'm going to use myself as an example so that it's easier for me to kind of explain everything that goes on when you have an anxiety disorder. Now, this looks different for everybody. Second is it really does depend what kind of anxiety disorder you've been diagnosed with. So I'm going to mostly speak to generalized anxiety disorder and panic disorder. The first thing that I really need to state clearly is with GAD, which is generalized anxiety disorder, and also with a panic disorder.
[00:05:22.700] - Jeanne
I think people, like I said, have this tendency to think, oh, panic disorder. This is a person who suffers from panic attacks. Anxiety disorder, oh, this is a person that is super sensitive and cannot handle a lot of stress or is overly stressed. And it's a lot more than that. Let's take an example. We all go through periods in our life where we are under a lot more stress or perhaps even chronic stress. Maybe you've been going through a really tough time at work combined with some issues in your personal life that have made things even worse. But a lot of times with chronic stress or with a high stress short term situation, your body is able to deal with that because stress is in small amounts a good thing. That's what helps us to achieve and what makes us focused and dedicated. Think about that big speech that you need to give. You have butterflies in your stomach. You're a little bit stressed and that's what makes you want to kind of do it well and prepare for it and gives you that extra kind of adrenaline rush that you need to actually get up on the stage and deliver that speech.
[00:06:30.170] - Jeanne
But after it's finished, that kind of absolute relief you feel and maybe even a sense of pride and achievement, that's the kind of good stress right and what our bodies need to help us achieve. It's also from our more base selves. If you go back to our ancestors in this doen age, the stress response is what told you to be afraid of something, to run from something, to be cautious about something. But when you have an anxiety disorder, it's almost like your nervous system is just wired to have that switch on on the entire time. You don't go from only having that light flipped on when there is an emergency situation or you're prepping for something big or there's a lion run from it. It's on the entire time. And this happens for many reasons. I don't think that there is scientific proof yet as to why exactly, but at least I have been told that it comes from genetics. So do you have a family history of mental illnesses? A large part of it comes from your background, how you were raised, trauma in your history, especially physical and sexual related trauma, which were all very present in my history.
[00:07:55.080] - Jeanne
So it's kind of a combination of those things. What I'm really saying is that stress is normal. There are times for everybody in everybody's lives where they will be going through periods of extremely high stress and they will be feeling those negative effects or periods of chronic stress where you've perhaps been in a bad situation at work for months and months and months and months. But once that element creating that stress is resolved and taken away, you can go back to a more balanced form of the most beautiful you. But when you have an anxiety disorder, you never get to step out of that space back into a more balanced form of you. You're always on high alert. It feels the best way for me to describe it is like brewing. It's like there's always something brewing underneath the surface. There's never just those moments of absolute calmful, peace, which you can achieve with lifestyle changes and all of those things. We'll get to that later. But that's what it feels like. You're constantly on edge, like there's constantly this buzzing under your skin. You're always excessively stressed about small things. Like something that I will regularly say to my husband or when he realizes or notices that something is wrong because he can read my signs and triggers.
[00:09:21.290] - Jeanne
And he would ask and my response would be I feel like something bad is going to happen. Or I feel like I've forgotten something or I did something bad, but I don't know what. I'm so anxious. I have this pit in my stomach. I feel nauseous, I feel shaky, but I don't know why. And when you live with an anxiety disorder, this is usually your resting state. So that's like a big difference. That's really important to understand. Now, when you have a panic disorder like me, it kind of goes a step further because there is a lot that can overlap between an anxiety disorder and a panic disorder. And again, this is how I have been helped and what has been communicated to me. But you have to be diagnosed and you have to find a medical professional that you work well with that can help you with your specific situation and what will work for you. But many times the symptoms of an anxiety generalized anxiety disorder can overlap with panic disorder. And you can have anxiety attacks and you can have panic attacks. Now, there are some subtle differences between those two that you really, really have to get diagnosed by a professional.
[00:10:34.690] - Jeanne
For me, I can say the panic attacks are some consistent things that happen. Like, everybody has a really horribly awful trigger. And I would say this one standout thing above all the others that freaks you out to the point of a panic attack. For me, that one thing is the sensation of choking, not being able to swallow. So it happens if I explain it like this, it seems like it happens in stages. But everything that I'm going to explain to you now probably happens in like 15 seconds or 20 seconds. And it's a really horrible feeling because in your mind, it almost feels like you're spinning and all of these things are coming at you all at once. My tongue feels thick. My throat feels closed. I'm not able to swallow. I think I'm choking. I can't breathe. I physically cannot breathe. If you look at my throat, and if you look at my tongue, it's not swollen. It doesn't seem like there's anything blocking the airway. But I cannot breathe and I am choking. That is my reality. That's my big scary monster. It always comes with all of the rest. Severe heart palpitations.
[00:11:50.060] - Jeanne
Like, I'm not talking about you can feel your chest beating. I'm talking about painful heartbeats that feel like they rip out of your chest and blast back into your chest at 1000 miles an hour. Extreme shaking. So my shaking will go from it's definitely always bad enough that I'm not able to pick up anything, hold anything, close a wallet, write on something. I'm shaking too badly. But the shaking can be usually I have incredible back pain after a panic attack because my entire body is just shaking to the core many times. And I would get so embarrassed if I, for example, have a panic attack in public, like at the airport, I would have to physically restrain my hand to keep it from flapping up and down. Yeah, that's everything that comes with it. But my big scary monster is the choking. There are many other sensations that come with the panic attack. One of the most common ones that I also have is this impending feeling, an absolute core belief that you are busy going crazy, that nobody else can see this. And it's a difficult one for me to explain because it really is one of the most terrifying things to experience.
[00:13:16.770] - Jeanne
I think the mind is such a minefield. And one of the big things about an anxiety disorder and when you are in the midst of a panic attack is that fact that you are so inside yourself. That can be a terrifying place to be. You really doubt the reality around you. Like I've had moments where I doubt what I see in front of me or what I hear. Other things that happen is that you may feel dizzy or hyperventilating, all of those things, but for the very specific symptoms and what happens during a panic attack and what happens during an anxiety attack. Again, go back to the episode with my psychiatrist, a psychologist, in which he medically explains it correctly. Now, that's just the anxiety attack and the panic attack, okay? And that's many times where most people's understanding of panic disorder or anxiety disorder stop. Here's the rest of it. And again, I'm the example with my panic disorder, yes, I do have panic attacks, but my panic disorder affects me every single day of my life, every single minute, every single hour. I'm definitely not in a space anymore where it's all consuming and I'm struggling to kind of make sense of it and struggling to manage it and struggling to get to the other side.
[00:14:40.670] - Jeanne
But because you are so prone to being in this kind of constant buzzing state, it starts to show in many other aspects of your life. I cannot tell you the amount of times that we've rushed to the emergency room thinking my appendix has burst or that I've just had a stroke. And you get there and you go through all the tests and they rush you through blood work and you're scared and you're terrified. And obviously these things only always happen like at midnight or some crazy hour like that. And then when you're completely exhausted and drugged up by everything they've given you in the, what do you call it, in the drip, they're like, oh gosh, everything is normal. This is just like severe stress. I mean, if you have a panic disorder or an anxiety disorder, you know exactly what I'm talking about. All of those trips, all of those tests, all of those hundreds of things that you go through so many, many times because what you have this panic disorder, this anxiety disorder manifests in so many different aspects of your life. So let's go through them one by one.
[00:15:57.270] - Intro
You're listening to the My FIGGI Life podcast.
[00:16:00.140] - Jeanne
Number 1100%. And this is not in any kind of like, order or form of bad to worse or good to bad or anything like that. This is just kind of everything that comes with this kind of anxiety disorder. It's also not an exhaustive list. Your loved one or you may also experience other things. Migraines. Oh, gosh, my good friend, migraine. When I'm talking about migraines, I am not talking about a really bad headache. I am talking about nausea, vomiting, losing feeling in your hands, your fingers, your arm, seeing auras, which means you have black and purple spots or some kind of spots in front of your eyes that last. It's not like you just have your vision going away. Sometimes it's really scary. Sometimes my vision will go away for a couple of minutes. Spinning feelings, unbelievably. Severe, severe pain in your head. Migraines by itself is its own medical diagnosis. There are so many different types and where you feel the pain and how you feel the pain. And I'm not even going to try and breach that subject, but that's what I'm talking about. Migraines. And migraines usually happen for me, either just before, a couple of days before I'm about to have a really big panic attack, or the week following my panic attack when I'm in my panic attack hangover, which I will also explain.
[00:17:29.070] - Jeanne
These migraines are so severe, you're down for two or three days completely. You cannot function. You cannot be in sunlight. You cannot take any form of light. You cannot handle noise. Or for me, I cannot stand movement. Like, even if somebody just presses their hand down on the bed, it feels like I want to die. The spinning sensation, that sensation either that you're spinning or that you're kind of falling backwards. And a most recent beautiful visitor in this symptom for me was last year when my entire right side of my face decided to stop working. So I had a hanging eye and a hanging lip, and it was really horrible. I looked like the Crypt Keeper. Not only are you looking out for things that trigger your panic attacks and your panic disorder, you're also looking for things that trigger your migraines, because panic attacks lead to migraines. Migraines lead to panic attacks. You see where I'm going with this? Like, it's a vicious circle. The next one is hypochondria because you have this feeling that you're going insane or you're going crazy, or, for example, the feeling that you're choking or you can't breathe.
[00:18:43.330] - Jeanne
And I have to make this very, very, very clear to you while I'm sitting here explaining this to you. I am in a good space, and I am able to recognize how unrealistic and irrational that may be. But when I am in the panic attack, every fiber and core of my being believes and experiences that I am dying and I am choking. Because of that, you start to get almost unrealistically terrified of all things health wise. I really have to check myself just before a panic attack or when I feel it's coming on, or I will oftentimes ask my husband, is my throat okay? Does my tongue look okay to you? And it's not because I'm trying to be silly. It's just that I'm in just such a complete state of fear. And this kind of starts manifesting in other stages and phases of your life. Like when you have just a headache, everybody gets just a headache that doesn't turn into a migraine. You tend to go like, oh, my gosh, this is going to be a migraine. Or when I spent the entire day editing podcasts and I have pens and needles in my right hand because of how I was using the mouse, I have to really talk myself down from a panic attack.
[00:19:55.100] - Jeanne
No, your hand is not going numb. No, you're not having stroke. No, you're not having a heart attack. It's really exhausting and super difficult to be in that space. And what really doesn't help is that, oh, gosh, these anxiety disorders are sneaky little buggers. Because just when you think you've got all your symptoms down wham, you'll have another unbelievably scary event and you will be absolutely convinced. With my last relapse, we raced to the hospital or to the doctor, and she raced me to the hospital because she was convinced, like, my appendix was bursting right now. I was in such an incredible, incredible amount of pain. I've never felt that amount of pain in my life. And after going through all of the tests and 100 types of medication, I was told that everything is normal and due to severe anxiety, I just had really bad intestinal, intestinal cramps. Those situations don't help how you see how this hypochondria kind of manifests for all of its us. It's at different levels, but it's definitely something that I needed to start being aware of. The next one that is part of your daily cycle of life is gut issues.
[00:21:15.100] - Jeanne
You go from diarrhea to constipation to constipation to diarrhea to nausea to vomiting to absolutely being fine, to gluten upsetting you, to it not upsetting you, to hating grains, to loving grains. Like, you never know. You never know where you're at. And it's such a pain, especially when, like me, your work requires you to travel a lot and be exposed to a lot of different foods and a lot of different cultures in their foods and just also being on. The run and not always being able to be in control of what you eat and how you eat and where you eat it and when you eat it. Anybody who has IBS or any sort of gut issues will know exactly what I'm talking about. It's a full time commitment to try and steer clear of this. Just before I was officially diagnosed with panic disorder, I literally went through a period where I was in the emergency room almost every single weekend with severe vomiting, cramps, diarrhea, as if I had the worst kind of food poisoning every single weekend of my life. It got a lot better once I was diagnosed and I was put on medication just to kind of because the medication that they put you on also helps you to just tone down that constant buzzing.
[00:22:38.390] - Jeanne
So you're not always on the tip of that high alert. But yeah, that's another beauty that manifests in your daily life. Another big one for me, and this is why the FIGGI beauty skincare line exists, is my skin. So I think we sometimes forget that our skin is our largest organ. It's literally covering our entire bodies. It's not just our face. It's our scalp. It's under our feet. It's our hands. If that's upset, boy, do you know it. And what happens with an anxiety disorder is that your cortisol levels are permanently on such a high. What it really does is it sends messages to all of the nervous centers along your body beyond alert. Beyond alert. And the layer of skin just past your outer layer of skin has so many nerve receptors. So many. So if that is constantly firing, can you imagine what your skin must feel like? Pens and needles, itching scratching, burning, tightness, discomfort. And many times people will tell me, but you cannot have sensitive skin and you can't talk to me without burning and scratching. Your skin isn't even red. But thank you. Thank you. Anxiety disorder. That's you because a lot of that eye experience is linked to whatever is happening underneath that first layer and is so closely connected to my perception of it.
[00:24:13.000] - Jeanne
Let me tell you, it's so uncomfortable. It is so uncomfortable to feel like literally the air is burning your skin. Like you cannot touch it. You don't want to come near it. It's just so angry at you. Obviously, it's worse when you're having flare ups or when you've just had an anxiety attack, but it's something that just comes with you and stays with you when you have an anxiety disorder. The next little beautiful one, which is also probably the one that I think I struggle with the most is my old friend Insomnia. Now, this is a bad one because once you start being in a place where you're able to manage your anxiety disorder, you start to understand what your triggers are and what you really need to avoid. My biggest trigger biggest trigger is being tired. I cannot function on being I have to have 8 hours of sleep a night. But my problem is I have to have 8 hours of quality, quality sleep a night. So what happens to me because I'm always buzzing? It means that I honestly sometimes get so frustrated, I just end up like almost screaming and crying in frustration because I can't sleep, where I will have moments where I'll just think, just shut up.
[00:25:34.350] - Jeanne
Can my mind just shut up for 2 seconds? Just the 2 seconds or two minutes. I need just get to that point where I'm just almost asleep. It's so frustrating. And anybody that suffers with insomnia or ever has, knows that that makes it even worse. When you're at that point where you just want to sleep and all you can think about is sleeping, it's like it gets even harder for you to sleep. But what mostly happens to me is I get in bed, I exhaustedly, fall asleep for one and a half to 2 hours and then I'm awake and I cannot fall asleep again or and this has always been me. I'm an extremely light sleeper. Literally two nights ago, my husband's phone was charging next to the bed and there was this white noise from the plug, like this white noise coming in through and that woke me up and I could not sleep any further. I had to like I spent probably like 40 minutes going around the room with a torch because I don't want to wake him. Putting my ear to the ground. Like, where is this coming from? I cannot sleep.
[00:26:46.730] - Jeanne
Insomnia is a real treat. A real treat. Especially when it's such a big trigger to you. Honestly, when I'm tired, everything just goes downhill. Everything. My resilience in managing my anxiety disorder out the window. My resilience in managing my diet well out the window. My will to exercise because it's such a great stress relief for me out the window. So it's such a vicious circle when I cannot sleep.
[00:27:18.180] - Intro
You're listening to the My FIGGI Life podcast.
[00:27:20.790] - Jeanne
Having an anxiety or a panic disorder is not just having a panic attack. It's all of this, all of the time, every day that you need to deal with. That's why it's so important to make lifestyle changes and to constantly be aware of your body and where you're at and how you're feeling. Because you have all of these things that you need to keep track of, track of. And if any one of them is out of balance, boom. There comes your panic attack and then you're back to square one. The other one is fears that you start to develop about other things that honestly affect your life. For example, I have a legitimate fear of loud noises. Anything like a pot that crashes or a glass that breaks or somebody that screams. I immediately go from completely okay to pre panic immediately. I cannot stand that noise. Lights, malls are the worst place in the world for me, especially clothing stores that tend to have these different types of lighting to make like one outfit look good and this to be like the men's section and the kitchen. I go completely insane. It feels like my head is spinning, like I'm dizzy, like I can't orientate myself.
[00:28:42.250] - Jeanne
And as soon as I feel like that anxiety kicks into 1000. It's also people. Any space where there is a lot of people, like you will never ever see me in a store or a grocery store or a mall at the end of the month or when there is a sale or 11:00 on a Saturday morning. I cannot stand that amount of people around me. And usually when there's that many people around me, it comes with a lot of noise, a lot of sound and a lot of lights, a lot of movements. Again, this is something that you face every single day of your life. When you drive, when you go to the store. This is something I have to constantly school myself to be able to handle. It's okay, you can do this. You're all right. It's all right. You're in your mind. Put on your noise canceling headphones. It's okay. You can do this. I never ever, for example, would go to an airport and just go and check in and take my bag and go through security and sit down and eat something and get on the plane. No. How this whole scenario looks to me is meditating.
[00:29:54.330] - Jeanne
Before I get in the car, everything is fine. Playing it out in my mind step by step. Now I'm going to get in my car. Now I'm going to drive to the airport. This is what the road to the airport is going to look like. This is where I'm going to park my car. I visually imagine it all the way through. The entire time where I'm driving, I am like I'm calm. I'm in a good space. I have my noise headphones on. I'm okay. I've checked my list like, a thousand times. Get to the airport. That's okay. I'm all right. I know exactly where to go. I know exactly what to do. This is me the entire time, I hope. I'm bringing home the idea of what it means in your everyday life to have an anxiety or a panic disorder, then eating. It doesn't really matter where I am or where I'm going. I always have snacks in my bag. I have to eat every two and a half to 3 hours. I have to because as soon as I get hungry, I start shaking. As soon as I start shaking, I feel dizzy.
[00:30:54.190] - Jeanne
As soon as I feel dizzy, I get a headache. As soon as that happens, I go into deep dive, and everything just goes south from there. But the biggest thing for me that remains now is I completely withdraw. I don't want to go outside the house. I don't want to speak to people. I don't want to answer the phone. I don't want to interact with anybody. I'm afraid to drive. And this is usually hubby will usually let me hibernate for maybe five days or so. And then he will tell me, okay, no, you've got to go somewhere. Go to the mall alone. Go see a movie alone, go to the city alone, knowing that I am absolutely here for you. If anything happens, I will come get you. I. Will come fetch you. But for me, I really need that kick in the butt to just get back into the spin of life again, because that's a super dangerous place to be once you start thinking and feeling like that, because you become completely isolated, and then you start to prefer that isolation, and then you start to crave that isolation. So that's something that we both really work hard at, completely nipping in the butt after my attacks.
[00:32:09.070] - Jeanne
That is what it means to have an anxiety disorder, and that's how it influences your life every single day. And that's why I say so many things about that's. Why it's so important to manage your lifestyle, to have the tools and tricks in your kit. But also why I say that I'm so sick to death of all of this how to advice and these books and people that will tell you, oh, I used to be like you. And then I found this wonderful solution to life. And I will make it so you never have a panic attack again and you never struggle with anxiety again. And you know what? Probably. Maybe that's true if you are in the first category I mentioned today, where you're just going through a period of intense stress or a period of chronic stress, and as soon as you remove that from your life, you will be in a better space and you are in a way better position to manage this in future. But if you're in the second category that I explained having an anxiety disorder and being wired that way, it's really incredibly frustrating and demotivating to us who struggle with it to hear this kind of messaging.
[00:33:21.720] - Jeanne
Because when you relapse not if, when you relapse, it may be a two year period without a relapse. It may be five months, it may be three days. You feel like the worst failure in this world because you feel like it was your fault and you feel like you did something wrong and that you weren't following the steps and that you weren't taking the right direction. And that is absolutely BS. That is the biggest thing that kept me from getting onto the road to recovery. The biggest change I made in my life was to accept the relapses and to really have a great support network around me that also accepts the relapses and just take it as it comes. Like, hey, it was a bad day. You know what? This was a bad day. This was a bad week. But it's okay. It's okay for you not to be okay right now. It's okay that you relapsed because you've been trying really hard and this is who you are, and that is okay too. I hope this helped you or your loved one. And I just thank you so much for listening to these podcasts.
[00:34:31.070] - Jeanne
You have been such an inspiration to me and how you've helped me share my story and just the amount of support and love that I the knowledge that hopefully I'm speaking to a Community that understands me and that's struggling with the same things that I'm struggling is such a gift. I'm so grateful. Everyone deserves to celebrate the Goddess within.